I propose the following changes to the TOU complaint system.
If a person is the subject of a complaint to TOU, the person should receive a copy of the complaint and be given a chance to explain.
If the explanation is not sufficient, the person should be unsubbed.
However, if the complaint turns out to be without merit, then the complainer should be unsubbed.
If the response reveals both are guilty, both should be unsubbed.
--Such a system would bring a sense of balance and justice, and would give people an incentive to be on their best behavior, and would discourage frivolous complaints to the TOU GUY.
Darren always says he wants us to be grownups. Well, prove it. Adopt my system. It is for grownups only.
-Satan of Tribe
If a person is the subject of a complaint to TOU, the person should receive a copy of the complaint and be given a chance to explain.
If the explanation is not sufficient, the person should be unsubbed.
However, if the complaint turns out to be without merit, then the complainer should be unsubbed.
If the response reveals both are guilty, both should be unsubbed.
--Such a system would bring a sense of balance and justice, and would give people an incentive to be on their best behavior, and would discourage frivolous complaints to the TOU GUY.
Darren always says he wants us to be grownups. Well, prove it. Adopt my system. It is for grownups only.
-Satan of Tribe
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Re: TOU System proposal
Sat, May 3, 2008 - 8:56 AMI propose that the office of "TOU Guy" be abolished, and people being "grownups" or not will thus sort itself out accordingly.
Grownups irl don't have a TOU Guy to cry to, see.
A medium increase in the power of moderators, a return to the mad days when there were actually many thousands of new participants each week who were excited by the freedom and depth of tribe.net's base, and a relinquishing of the will to control discourse by the owners, will solve all the whiner/troll problems, as well as restore some of the brilliance which tribe.net glowed with in 2003. -
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 9:00 AMand in the case of someone like Bruce? -
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 9:57 AMCommunity warned - link anyone who needs it to that blog post of mine.
When he breaks the law, invoke the law's punishments. When he harms the community, make sure the majority community is warned. Ultimately we can't force safety on people. We can't expect a savior - in any context, really. Illumination is the best (and imo only real) defense.
Had people been alerted in a cogent way to his propensity for deceit and villainy earlier on, there wouldn't have been as much opportunity for him to manipulate people. If people hadn't been acculturated and habituated to relying on an external enforcement (that was never equal to the task in the first place) then they might have been more careful about revealing damaging information to a stranger based solely on his apparent niceness.
There are still those who advocate for Bruce. There are those who feel he was treated unfairly, and to them I extend the freedom to associate with him as they please. That's the hard cold world of reality - something that will, by hook but more likely by crook, will invade the internet no matter what we do.
Social networks like tribe.net - like it or not - are a major part of the future of human interaction, and - like it or not - what we do now, what we demand now, will factor in to what takes shape in the future. I suggest we be as strong and aware as possible, and learn *not* to expect overlords to clear up messes for us. I suggest that Bruce is actually a very frightened and weak person that, alone, can be handily dealt with by any single strong person. Calling on TOU Guy weakens us. Demanding "safety" ensures a loss of power. Personal power being sacrificed for the illusion of security is a mistake.
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Re: TOU System proposal
Sun, May 4, 2008 - 12:29 PMActually, I should have said:
"Bruce is simply not a big deal. He seems like a bug to me."
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Sun, May 4, 2008 - 12:35 PMI really can't understand why anyone even bothers to bring him up anymore.
Not even a speed bump. More like a pothole. The type that leaves you say "What was that? Eh... just the road" as you go driving along.
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Sun, May 4, 2008 - 1:13 PMthat's nice.
and easy to do when you haven't been directly affected by it, are not close
to anyone who has, or are not intimately familiar with what's happened
over the past year.
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Sun, May 4, 2008 - 3:33 PMWhat do you think should be done, wild? -
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Sun, May 4, 2008 - 7:17 PMTha old King Solomon gambit
'bout cuttin' tha baby in half.
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Mon, May 5, 2008 - 7:35 PM"Tha old King Solomon gambit
'bout cuttin' tha baby in half.
Too often systems become
tha problems themselves."
Oh but please, I just like to sew babies back together..
Or better yet, watch them become recombinant babies.
Like growin' out that other half. And then the women
both get one.
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Mon, May 5, 2008 - 9:16 AM>>>What do you think should be done, wild?
i don't have any definitive answers, Loki
i wish i did.
but in this case i'd like to see people refrain from behaviors which are - in effect -
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Mon, May 5, 2008 - 8:50 PMWA-
My thinking is along the same line as the problem that society can remember the names of serial killers, but not the victims.
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Mon, May 5, 2008 - 5:06 AMNot trying to detract from anything that happened.
More of forgetting about him is the only real way to hurt him.
He's insignificant. People that leave a lasting impact feel important. Satan will always be remembered. Jman. Baby Jane... etc. Don't include what's his face in with other people who are memorable.
It doesn't matter if people love you or hate you, as long as they are talking about you.
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Re: TOU System proposal
Mon, May 5, 2008 - 3:28 PMLoki:
I don't think Tribe.net would dare not have any TOU GUY. I'm sure their lawyer (back when they could afford one) told them they had to have such a mechanism.
So your proposal to just not have TOU is not realistic.
My alternative would end the abuse of the TOU complaint system. Right now, there does not seem to be any down side to filling the TOU GUY's inbox with whining and complaints, no matter how frivolous or phony. Hence, all the abuse.
There needs to be an adverse consequence suffered by the people who abuse the complaint system. My proposal would do that and would restore a sense of balance. -
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Mon, May 5, 2008 - 9:03 PM>>
There needs to be an adverse consequence suffered by the people who abuse the complaint system. My proposal would do that and would restore a sense of balance.
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I agree here.
I also see Wild's point; I hope you didn't think I was trying to blame the victims, Wild.
I do think that people need to be more aware of what we're exposing ourselves to by being involved in online communication. You have to take steps, cultivate responsible defenses, and be aware on those occasions that you feel like letting those defenses drop with someone.
Strangely, I'm starting to get the sense that those of us who seem to get accused of online shit are actually the most popular targets for stalkers, harassers, and personal-info sifters.
[deleted: angry rant to the effect of "I am getting too much flak for other people's behavior"]. Which is total bullshit.
You know what?
I'm getting pissed off again. The good old days, the crazy days, the all-or-nothing days.
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Tue, May 6, 2008 - 5:25 AMLoki-
The people that get their jollies off real stalking and harassment don't get a thrill if it's some known. They only get a rise of they are taking on the big dogs. Somebody that's high profile they can attempt to make a name for them self by making a public spectacle. When they get bit by said dog, they run any cry, being the injured party. It's pretty standard online as well as in real life.
Some people put them self in the exact perfect position for attack, because they enjoy the game. They aren't exactly looking for trouble, but are more than happy to play when it falls in their lap. I like to think of these people as the ones in this tribe. the ones that are willing to fight back, willing to call bullshit, and take on the wrongs they see around them without little regard for their own safety. Stalkers, predators, admins, it doesn't matter. There's right, and there's wrong.
Is there sparring involved? Absolutely! Must keep the skills honed and sharp.
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Tue, May 6, 2008 - 8:32 PMbore bore bore the boat, that is what ya do, even if, even if, ya gotta smell like poooooo! -
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Tue, May 6, 2008 - 8:46 PMScorpio, Scorpio, Scorpio males
dumber than a bag of shit,
Insecurities abound, their rebirths unsound
Always clueless and half-lit.
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Wed, May 7, 2008 - 12:02 AM"The people that get their jollies off real stalking and harassment don't get a thrill if it's some known. They only get a rise of they are taking on the big dogs. Somebody that's high profile they can attempt to make a name for them self by making a public spectacle. When they get bit by said dog, they run any cry, being the injured party. It's pretty standard online as well as in real life"
you can't suck my cock, no matter how hard you try. The silly fucking thing is, you fill me mailbox with come-ons. and when you talk in public, you dis me. YOU are dumber than a proverbial bag of shit. Go back to molesting children you perv. and a bad astrologer to boot. when you live on your own, complain about others. And really, quit the damn sexual come-ons in my mailbox. you need some serious mental help. -
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Wed, May 7, 2008 - 5:31 AMQuoting me but talking to V?
Look at me all confused!
Nobody addressed my previous question about the Asian Porn.
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Wed, May 7, 2008 - 11:10 AMOh..ScorpioTravis;
I wonder from where your false statements and accusations arise - an investigation of such would reveal them to be potentially libelous.
Oh well.
It must be tough living with a flickering bulb of consciousness and unfettered access to cases upon cases of shitty beer and twinkies under the perpetually rainy skies of the Northwest.
I feel your pain - I am a magical Unicorn Empath of the 2nd Order. I say get thee to a Nunnery!
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Wed, May 7, 2008 - 11:36 AMIn answer to your invisible ink question Shatter and with reference to a suggestion by St Jman....
YES
Check out Katsumi: nasty beautiful girl and the French accent is really fucking hot.
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Wed, May 7, 2008 - 12:15 PM
"But Satan, you have a long history of harassing people under the guise of an alt, and never owning it, then getting unsubbed "
--no I don't. No long history of harassing people with alts. What do you mean by harass? You mean like when some inferior troll like you tries to start a flame war, and loses terribly? Why would I need to create alts to administer the beating to you, when it is more fun to do it publically and then be able to take credit for it?
Verseau continues: "And yet, when I or others harass you for harassing others, you're a baby about it...again, never owning your part in things, as if you were some innocent victim."
---Owning to what? I'll admit I used to have a lot of alts. I deny that I used them to harass people. They were used for entertainment, and to troll other trolls.
Verseau adds: "and you never ever respond to statements or assertion just like I've made becasue that would require you being honest. You have no track record, no history of being so."
---Your posts are seldom worth responding to. You are an annoyance. I already waste too much time dignifying anything you write.
Verseau concludes: "Exactly what brand of sniveling pussy are you? "
---Interesting how you continuously pepper your post with the word "pussy" and constantly use that word in a derogatory way. You just hate women, don't you? What would you know about that part of the female anatomy, anyhow?
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When, if ever, has Verseau shown any respect to women on Tribe.net? I am so sick of his constant posts about how "pussy stinks" about women all being "crack whores" and that kind of thing. Why hasn't he been unsubbed for being disrespectul to women, as well as for stalking and harassing them here. Aren't these all v -
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Wed, May 7, 2008 - 1:10 PMAnd your ADD ScorpioPoint , PussymanTravis?
You have to ask yourself - in the limited capacity that you are able - about all of the frequent little deaths of your brother in arms and hero Satan, not driven by complaints per se - simply by his own behavior actually...
Only to re-incarnate as the same blathering and transparent fool whose babyshit and sulphuric stench can be smelled a mile away. It's the dysfunctional Scorpio Male's destiny to engage in self-defeat and suffer the little deaths, and then rebirth as the same clueless yokel, time and again, somehow continually believing there is actually some meaning or point to their perspective when their is no evolution in character; no effort at being anything upright or genuine?
However - more importantly - and actually relatedly Travis, do you wonder about your own laughable moderator skills in deleting anyone or anything that doesn't conform with your distorted expectations about public discourse? It appears that I'm not the only one pointing that out to you....but then, you delete any dissent.
Do you even have a minimal awareness of just how much of a gutless and guileless wonder that makes you look like?
That's actually what you need to spend some time thinking about Travis rather than parrying with me with your toothpick sword.
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Wed, May 7, 2008 - 3:34 PM
"you still cant sleep with me, get over it closet case.
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Wed, May 7, 2008 - 3:47 PMI curse you with a rain of giant poopies in Portland.
That'll teach ya.
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Wed, May 7, 2008 - 3:50 PMThe only thing to make the mud slinging better would be for Jman to come in and tell everyone what fat cheese eating retards they are, living in their mother's basements.
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Wed, May 7, 2008 - 3:55 PMMommy, Mommy bring more CHEESE!
~V~
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Wed, May 7, 2008 - 4:26 PM"you still cant sleep with me, get over it closet case.
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Wed, May 7, 2008 - 5:02 PMHere Travis: have some poopy covered cheese nibbles for your bad acid trip under the flickering lightbulb in the tin shack of your mind filled with Miller Lite beer and no outhouse, you pee in your pants ninnyfop.
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Wed, May 7, 2008 - 5:35 PMit amazing that one can get the same fish with darn near every cast!
"you still cant sleep with me, get over it closet case.
and bad astrologer to boot. "
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Wed, May 7, 2008 - 5:36 PMand this one if for your next nincompoop response:
"you still cant sleep with me, get over it closet case.
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Thu, May 8, 2008 - 7:34 AM"you still cant sleep with me, get over it closet case.
and bad astrologer to boot. "
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Thu, May 8, 2008 - 10:49 AMAllayou get your asses outside for a walk. Right fucking now. A long, long walk. Meet a girl or boy for a beer and a flirt. Go to a party. -
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Tue, May 6, 2008 - 9:08 AMHe was a bad man. A very bad man. And he got wished away to the corn field.
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