Operation Black Jack ?

topic posted Thu, February 21, 2008 - 12:39 PM by  Unsubscribed
Someone said on the other thread that the people who run Tribe.net also run blackjack on facebook.com so I went to check it out and it's true but as it happened the time I was visiting was the same time that blackjack stopped working, I quickly tried to log onto Tribe.net and uh-oh the same problem, not working.

Just throwing an idea out here that Tribe.net may be using it's resources, paid for by certain starred members to help run the blackjack site. They certainly use their man power as nothing has been fixed on Tribe.net since I have been a member and all I can see if people's complaints and squishy pictures so those of you who actually PAY for Tribe.net I have to know what you think about this? Are you pissed off?

tribes.tribe.net/peoof/thr...2460da127d

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    Re: Operation Black Jack ?

    Thu, February 21, 2008 - 6:37 PM
    Sounds like the real basis of a class action fraud lawsuit.

    I asked, in jest, if they were running a ponzi scheme, but if in fact they are taking subscription money and funneling it into a blackjack website, then they need to go to jail. And very well could.

    Could they be that stupid? Absolutely. Abso-fucking-lutely.

    If anyone has any real info on this, please contact me.
    • Hey Rapture ...

      Thu, February 21, 2008 - 6:53 PM
      ... what an ambulance chaser you're turning out to be.
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        Re: Hey Rapture ...

        Thu, February 21, 2008 - 8:09 PM
        Oh? How is that?

        Tribe consistently strikes me as an operation that does not answer questions and is not accountable. There is something fishy about it, and that is one of the reasons I rag on them so much.

        That a couple thousand weirdos in San Francisco are so addicted to it that they refuse to see the lack of accountability does not bother me. They're still entitled to some justice if they are being defrauded, even if they are a delusional lot of weirdos.

        If Tribe.net is defrauding its loyal users, then that is not okay. And it would be up to lawyers to do something about it. Either private lawyers or prosecutors, or lawyers at the attorney general. And it will also be up to lawyers to defend them and keep their sorry asses out of prison, if in fact they are running a ponzi scheme.

        I am proud of my profession. We do make a difference.

        Invariably, I have found that the people who most consistently hate lawyers are scoundrels themselves.
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    Re: Operation Black Jack ?

    Fri, February 22, 2008 - 1:23 AM
    The game:
    www.facebook.com/apps/application.php

    Their discussion board for the game:
    www.facebook.com/board.php

    Facebook Privacy info:
    epic.org/privacy/facebook/default.html

    ---excerpt begin---
    The information that the application accesses includes everything about a user and what they can see, except for their contact information such as email address, phone number and postal address. The terms the user is agreeing on by clicking "add" includes examples of this information:

    Examples of Facebook Site Information. The Facebook Site Information may include, without limitation, the following information, to the extent visible on the Facebook Site: your name, your profile picture, your gender, your birthday, your hometown location (city/state/country), your current location (city/state/country), your political view, your activities, your interests, your musical preferences, television shows in which you are interested, movies in which you are interested, books in which you are interested, your favorite quotes, the text of your "About Me" section, your relationship status, your dating interests, your relationship interests, your summer plans, your Facebook user network affiliations, your education history, your work history, your course information, copies of photos in your Facebook Site photo albums, metadata associated with your Facebook Site photo albums (e.g., time of upload, album name, comments on your photos, etc.), the total number of messages sent and/or received by you, the total number of unread messages in your Facebook in-box, the total number of "pokes" you have sent and/or received, the total number of wall posts on your Wall(TM), a list of user IDs mapped to your Facebook friends, your social timeline, and events associated with your Facebook profile.

    Significantly, applications do not only access the information about a given user that has added the application. Applications by default get much of the information about that user's friends and network members that the user can see. So without any action from a user, an individual that has never joined any applications will have their information sent to the third party application when their friends or associates in their networks join.
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      Re: Operation Black Jack ?

      Fri, February 22, 2008 - 1:31 AM
      Where some of the money comes from:
      www.unionsquareventures.com/

      "In the middle of last year my friend Mark Pincus stopped by my office to tell me what he'd been up to. Facebook apps it turned out, of course. He said, "Fred, by this time next year, everything you invest in will be built on top of Facebook". I cringed. My beloved world wide web eclipsed by Facebook? How could that be?

      Six months later, our firm became an investor in Mark's company, called Zynga Game Network. Currently all of Zynga's games run inside social networks, largely Facebook, but also Bebo and several others. And that list of social nets will grow longer in the next few weeks."
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      Facebook Fatigue

      Fri, February 22, 2008 - 2:05 PM
      Facebook trends:
      technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol....ece

      ---excerpt begin---
      Nielsen predicted that the next generation of social network sites would cater to specific interests such as travel, business, or wealth. WAYN (Where Are You Now), a travel networking site, had a 25 per cent increase in its British audience in the past year to 461,000, and LinkedIn, a network for professional and business people, recorded a jump from 161,000 to 433,000 users.
      ---excerpt end---

      Which is exactly what I have been saying. Tribe.net NEEDS to find it's niche. It needs to focus. It has to choose. It cannot be something for everyone, because the other "somethings" that appeal to other people end up offending someone on the site.

      That would also allow for better responses to advertising. If it's a site about Widgets, and only Widgets, all the Widget advertisers will be able to reach a Widget audience.
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    Re: Operation Black Jack ?

    Tue, February 26, 2008 - 3:21 AM
    Financial info:
    valleywag.com/344975/vcs-...cebook-games

    "Mark Pincus, Tribe.net founder and early Facebook investor, announced $10 million in funding from Union Square Ventures, Peter Thiel, Reid Hoffman, and Bob Pittman.

    The venture is called the Zynga Game Network and it's the company behind social network apps such as "casual games" Poker, Attack, and Battleship. So far, Zynga makes all its money by promoting other applications, earning 50 cents each time a user installs one on their profile.

    Pincus told the New York Times Zynga has already broken even and has not yet tapped into any of its venture capital. Users click on about 50,000 links to application install pages each day."

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    This one has an incorrect quote, but is worth reading anyway:
    valleywag.com/357902/mark...at-feeds-him

    See comments for corrected words, or see Mark's blog here:
    markpincus.typepad.com/markpi...de.html
    • Re: Operation Black Jack ?

      Tue, February 26, 2008 - 4:56 AM
      valleywag.com/357902/mark...at-feeds-him

      jesus. these people at valleyvag don't like him, do they.



      • Re: Operation Black Jack ?

        Tue, February 26, 2008 - 5:01 AM

        good job, True, you *would* make a great investigator! lol
        (don't worry, i'm not being sarcastic or anything, i'm just admiring your link-finding abilities. ;)
      • Re: Operation Black Jack ?

        Tue, February 26, 2008 - 7:56 AM
        >>>jesus. these people at valleyvag don't like him, do they.

        honestly, what's to like?

        the last time i liked him was August, 2006.
        it's been all downhill from there.........
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        Re: Operation Black Jack ?

        Tue, February 26, 2008 - 8:27 AM
        No, they don't. And here is what we can discern. Nothing. Ha!

        It could be something personal they have against him. It could be from their observations. It could be drama to draw readers.

        I don't know the reputation or any facts about that site, so it could be an online tech version of the National Enquirer.

        But the information that we were originally talking about was in regards to the Premium Membership fees going to support the games on Facebook. I think we can lay that rumor to rest.

        It doesn't tell us where that money DID go, but it does tell us where it did NOT go.
      • Re: Operation Black Jack ?

        Tue, February 26, 2008 - 5:51 PM
        >> jesus. these people at valleyvag don't like him, do they. <<

        Dag. You ain't kidding: valleywag.com/tag/mark-pincus/
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          Re: Operation Black Jack ?

          Tue, February 26, 2008 - 6:22 PM
          >> jesus. these people at valleyvag don't like him, do they. <<
          ----------------------------------

          The whole dot.com industry is a snake pit and now they've got paparazzi for hype.

          If I were running tribe.net, I'd be hanging out at strip clubs producing PPV lap dance shows for my premium members.

          You want controversy and free publicity ?

          Hire me to run this op from my cell at the FEMA camp.


          • Re: Operation Black Jack ?

            Tue, February 26, 2008 - 11:24 PM

            <<You want controversy and free publicity ?

            Hire me to run this op from my cell at the FEMA camp.>>


            LOL. you people totally crack me up sometimes.
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      Re: Operation Black Jack ?

      Tue, February 26, 2008 - 9:48 AM
      "The venture is called the Zynga Game Network and it's the company behind social network apps such as "casual games" Poker, Attack, and Battleship. So far, Zynga makes all its money by promoting other applications, earning 50 cents each time a user installs one on their profile."

      __________

      That sounds like a Ponzi scheme. Ponzi schemes are illegal.

      Of course, the devil is in the details.

      They way you keep from getting busted is to keep your grifting small time, you know, fifty cents a pop. Or $40 a pop here and there.

      Until the class action lawyers get ahold of you. Being able to aggregate all the penny claims into millions of dollars in claims makes it all worth while.

      Oh!

      Oh!
      • Re: Operation Black Jack ?

        Wed, February 27, 2008 - 12:29 PM
        >> That sounds like a Ponzi scheme. <<

        If had you added "in a parallel universe" then I would agree!

        However, according to that description, Zynga promotes software, and gets 50 cents from their client when somebody installs it. Which sounds more like Zynga is an advertiser.

        Just because some blog says it's a Ponzi scheme doesn't make it so.

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